Paul R. Abramson, a professor at UCLA, recently wrote a book called Romance in the Ivory Tower: The Rights and Liberty of Conscience. This book is about whether the choice to engage in a faculty-student romance be protected or precluded. He argues that the right to choose a romantic partner is a fundamental right of conscience, protected by the U.S. Constitution.
There have also been many sex scandals among high school and middle schools. High school teachers have CONSENSUAL sex with students many times and have gone to jail for it. Do we feel this is right? Mary Kay Letourneau was a teacher who was sent to jail for “raping” her 13 year old student. She gave birth to his child twice.
Articles: http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/22/local/me-romance22
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/psychology/marykay_letourneau/1.html
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4453608&page=1
Question: If a student is in college and above age, should professor-student dating, relationships and/or even sex be allowed? What about teacher-student relationships and sex within grade school?
Sam:
I believe that teacher student relationships are definitely not respected. Going to school should be just going there to learn, not seeing your teacher (the sweetheart). However, who is to say that being a student or teacher and dating the other student or teacher is wrong if it is true love? It is, in my eyes, immoral and wrong, and I think that my family will, for sure, degrade me for dating a teacher. I will also lose much respect for myself.
Andrea:
Students and teachers have relationships, this is a fact. We have relationships together at school, a professional relationship that exists only for an educational purpose, and nothing more. Then there will always be those relationships that take it too far. Much like the 'creepy treehouse' effect, where a teacher would utilize a communications website such as MySpace in order to use it in the classroom; only this is what should be called the "Creepy Classroom".
In elementary, secondary, and high school, it is not uncommon for students to have 'puppy love' crushes on their teacher. We see it all the time, especially if the student is a young girl, and the teacher happens to be that new, young, and attractive substitute, or if the student is a boy and his teacher is the 'smoking hot' librarian, just to name a couple of stereotypical examples. This crush could become the Creepy Classroom if the student or teacher took the initiative to "deepen" their relationship and take it outside of the classroom.
Take for example the recent strings of teacher-student sexual relationships, such as with Pamela Diehl-Moore, who engaged in several repeat offenses of sex with a student, aged thirteen, to her own age of forty-three. When the case was taken to court, the judge ruled lightly for Miss Moore, ultimately saying that it was no big deal because they "clicked" outside of a classroom relationship.
This article by David Kupelian goes into this particular case:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49389.
However, had Miss Moore been in fact a forty-three year old man having sex with a thirteen year old girl, the court and most of the country would have been rallying outside his door, demanding justice. This particular case is an example of how one's gender sorely affects how the world will treat you: if you are a woman, you can flirt your way out of a speeding ticket, but if you are a man, you may get a second ticket. If you are a woman who has sex with an underaged minor, you are not a sexual predator but an "outlet" for his budding sexual feelings. However, if you are a man having sex with an underaged minor, you are the scum of the earth.
On the same note, what about those relationships between students and their college professors in a university or community college environment? The vast majority of attending students are over the age of consent and could, legally, begin a sexual relationship with their professor if they so chose. It's not about whether or not they CAN engage in a sexual relationship as professor and student; it's a matter of that professor's ethics. Is it in fact ethical for a professor in a position of power to engage in a relationship with their student? One can argue that maybe they actually fell in love and are soul-mates. Another can argue that maybe the student REALLY WANTS that A on his or her next term paper. At the end of the day, is it morally acceptable for a teacher to have sex with their student? No. By definition, a teacher is 'one who teaches, especially one who is hired to teach'. Nowhere in that definition does it mention having inappropriate feelings or relations with their students. When I read that definition, I think of how I am trusting this person, my teacher, to give me the necessary knowledge for me to better myself, and educate myself further, so that I might make something better of the world around me.
Alexandria:
There has been this epidemic of teacher-student relationships lately, and it just sad. There is actually a site dedicated to posting information and pictures of teachers convicted of the crime. The question that puzzles me is, when a teacher comes to the conclusion that it's okay, even though it's for both men and women, why is it that men usually receive a harsher punishment? Either way, it is still unethical for grade school level through college level.
Alyssa:
I feel that if a student is in grade school, there should not be a relationship or sex or anything. The student is underage, and even though it may be consensual, it’s not right. If the student is in college and is above age, I think it’s not much of a problem. If this student has this teacher for class, then I feel it’s wrong. That professor may begin to play favorites and that’s very wrong. If a student and professor want to take this chance, then it should be allowed. I personally wouldn’t advise it though.
Friday, September 19, 2008
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This time, your teacher will wait before responding... I think it's high time for someone else to start the conversation here!
I don't think it is appropriate because you are in class to receive a grade that you earn and if you are engaged in a relationship I would see how the professor could show bias and issue a grade not well earned or if the relationship is to go sour then your grade can be brought down simply because of animosity between you and your professor.
Teacher and student relationships hmmmmmmmm.....
COLLEGE:I think as long as the students is not in one of the professors classes I do not see the problem They are both consenting adults who can make their own choices. But don't most colleges and universities have rules against fraternization between students and professors?
GRADE SCHOOL: Now as for grade school I think that it is absolutely gross. Maybe it is just me but what does a 30 or 40 something old adult see in a 12-15 year old? I feel that the punishment for male or female teachers engaging in sexual activity with a student should be the same. Why shouldn't a female teacher caught having sex with a male student not go to prision because she is "too pretty to go to prision". Anyway I feel that any type of relationship between grade school teachers and students is just inappropriate and gross and those teachers male and female should be punished equally and harshly.
Jennifer, certainly, there are implied rules against college or university faculty/student fraternization, but because students, for the most part, are older than the age of consent, nothing is necessarily notarized as an "official" rule. It simply becomes a question of personal accountability and ethics, of course.
The fact of the student-teacher relationship is a very controversial issue. In college, there wouldn't legally be a big "official" issue about it but I do think that is unethical for a professor to engage in sexual relations with a student. Even though sometimes it is CONSENSUAL between the teacher and the student, a teacher should know the difference business and pleasure, and pleasure should not consist in the work place. Also, it my opinion it's just straight up NASTY!!!! Especially in grade school when its just all around wrong. I mean what can a 35 year old teacher want from a 13-year old student?
I believe that business and pleasure don't mix because there are certain boundaries that are set and they should stay set. I also believe that there is a certain age difference between two people that should, at the most, be 5 years.
In my opinion this is a maybe for college. There should only be a professional relationship between a student and profesor. When a personal relationship developes the lines betwen student and professor can become blurred when emotions are factored in. Both the student or profesor can sucom to temptations of undue influence.On the other hand, if the student and professor will not have any classes scheduled together I see no problem with a relationship. For the simple fact people do have the same intrests.
Now concerning highschool and lower grades this is a definite NO. The teachers are there to teach. Also, there is an authority issue. Teachers are supposed to be adults and the simple fact is a highschool student or lower is a child. This is what I was taught. So when did this change?
I agree wih jenn, if the student is not in the professor's class then there shouldnt be a problem because they are old enough to make their own choices but everything under college is wrong.
I personally think it is wrong to have a student-teacher relationship. It does not matter the grade or age, it is still wrong. The student will loose respect for the teacher as well as the other students because they feel as if they have control because of the relationship they have with the teacher, and The teacher will play favorites. School was made to learn so that you will have success, not to meet your highschool sweetheart, which happens to be your teacher.
In grade school, it's normal to have a crush on your teacher but as far as acting on the crush is just nasty in my opinion. College is a different story. Although personally I still feel that a teacher student relationship in college is inappropiate, but not nasty. There used to be a time when kids went to school only to learn. What happened? I guess with more and more nicer looking people becoming teachers and schools with almost no dress code, what can be expected? This like everything else in my opinion goes back to the parents. If some parents would raise their kids to have valueable morals then once that kid went to school they would know not to even think about crossing that line and when those kids grew up to become teachers, we wouldnt have this problem.
I agree with jenn. as long as the student is "of age" and not in the class of the professor, what should it matter? The student's grade is not being effected by the circumstances then I see no problem. But as far as anything lower than college goes, all I have to say is... ew...
ok. student/teacher relationships is getting a lot of hype, and i think that a teacher should know better than to have any relationship with their student,even if the student is of age. It makes you wonder if the student is getting more incentives and more leeway than the rest of the students just because they're in a relationship with the teacher.It is morally wrong and very looked down upon. As far as the comment that was made earlier, the punishment for men and women are two very different punishments. Men recieve much more mental abuse from the public by labeling them as pedophiles, rapist, and the such. While women dont get as much harsh attention. Is there a difference between men and women? Because to me its seems that women get let off a lot easier.
I agree w/ Jason. If a student is in college and is having a relationship w/his or her professor then I don't think this is that big of a problem even though I think it's frowned upon. In high school and younger that is a big NO NO. Too many problems can happen when a child is under age even if it is consensual it's still not right.
I agree with Mya. Being in a teacher-student relationship is immoral and has many consequences. The punishment that an individual might recieve will be harsh and you would have to ask yourself if all of this is really worth it?
I think that student and teacher relationships are so totally wrong. If it does happen then both teacher and student should be arrested not only just the teacher. They both had their parts in the relationship. Just like the teacher that had sex with her students and she didn't get sent to jail because she was too pretty! That is so wrong. If it was a man that was really good looking he would probably still go to jail. Either way if a teacher has sexual realations with a student they should go to jail!!!
There is a double standard for everything these days, and especially, it seems, for cases involving women and the law. If it's not women teachers seducing their underage students in grade school and barely doing any time in prison as a result, then it's men seducing young girls and going to jail for life. This research project by Vermeir Iris and Van Kenhove Patrick, LINK
, goes into extreme detail with regards to the double standard when it comes to gender, ethics, and punishment. Though the authors use shoplifting as an example of unethical behavior, we can also relate this case study to the severity of pedophilia.
Love and sex both go hand in hand but what if the professor/student relationship is all about the love? You can't help who you love.
I think that student-teacher relationship is not right specially in grade school. I don't see how a teacher, which is someone that the parents and students are suppose to trust, could ever do something like that but them again, there are some crazy people in this world and you never know what could happen. Even tough its not right for a teacher to do that, if the student is over the age of 18 i don't think they should be prosecuted because the teacher is actually not breaking any laws.
I believe that teacher-student relationships and sex within grade school is absolutely unappropriate and disgusting. Also, it is illegal. On the other hand, college level and older is fine in my opinion. You are an adult and should be able to make responsible decisions. As a responsible adult, it should be your choice to who you choose to be in a relationship with and have sex with. However, if the college student is in the class of the professor that he or she is having a relationship with, there could be problems that could arise such as bias grading and such. So although it may be alright in my opinion, there still should be some precautions taken into consideration because of possible issues.
I believe that student teacher relationships are wrong unless the student is an adult and not in the teachers class. The student should not be in a class of the teacher because of a bias on grading. If the student is underage I believe that both the teacher and the student should be pusnished.
I think that they harm no one by having there releshionship. Eveyone is allowed to do with there life whatever they please so as long as i am not affected by it, it really makes no difference to me.
This is a grey subject in the college sense of the question. I believe that as long as teacher and the student portray a professional attitude at school, and there is no favoritism or discrimination of any sort, it would be perfectly fine. On the other hand reality falls into play and any either of the couple will, in some way, succumb to the pressures of their emotional feelings, which would disturb the surrounding students’ educational environment.
I completely agree with Mark, as fas as college is concerned. I do not see any problem with a relationship at that level of maturity, given that it is handled professionally. Now, when you bring this issue down to Jr. High School, or High School, it becomes harder to accept due to the blunt irrationability of the matter. We cannot rationalize a High School Student dating his professor, for theses students (for the most part) are still minors, and haven't fully achieved the level of maturity it would take to participate in a relationship. Nonetheless, the point is, school is a place to learn. Relationships between Professors/Teachers and students are completely circumstancial.
Any type of teacher - student romance should not be aloud in elementary, middle and high school. But once you decide to go to college you are a grow person and you should be aloud to make your own decisions.
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